A Response to Nurse Meggy Doodle’s Pro-Vax Facebook Post

A Response to Nurse Meggy Doodle’s Pro-Vax Facebook Post

There was a Facebook post going around the other day from a woman named Meggy Doodle, who claims to be a nurse. When one of my Facebook friends shared it (in agreement), I SO BADLY wanted to comment and respond, but c’mon, we all know there’s basically zero chance any good will come from getting into a Facebook debate. So instead, to get it out of my system, I decided to make my response into a blog post. Here’s her post – you can see my response below.

“I had a major epiphany today.
Some of you aren’t going to like this, but it’s flu season so here we gooooo…

I think that people who don’t want to vaccinate should have the freedom to do so.
If they think that “Big pharma” is just trying to turn a profit or poison us all… they should be allowed to believe that.
But the caveat to that is this:
Then they should NOT go to the doctor or the hospital when they get sick, looking for treatment.
That’s right. And here’s why: Big pharma makes those antibiotics we are going to pump you full of when you are about to die from sepsis.
The steroids and epi we might give you to save your life from your anaphylaxis? Yep, big pharma is behind that too.
That inhaler you need to treat your kids asthma? Better pass on that as well, because… you guessed it… brought to you by Big P.
Having a heart attack? Better break out your essential oils and get your affairs in order, because the only thing we have to offer you is medicine and procedures brought to you by the very same people who are responsible for those vaccines you insist are evil.
Having a massive stroke? Can’t talk or move half your body? Well no TPA for you. Even though it could potentially reverse every symptom of your stroke in minutes…Because big pharma is making a killing on that stuff.. I think it’s like $25k a pop.
And when you get diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, don’t even think about chemo….
Code Blue?? Don’t expect us to crack open the crash cart! It’s just stocked full of meds we need to get your heart beating again. Where do you think they come from?
I think you get the picture.
Stop being so naive.
Everything has risks. Everything has side effects. Medicine is not perfect. We advocate for vaccinating your children and yourself because science has PROVEN its the most effective method of controlling the spread of disease and giving you and everyone around you the best chance of NOT DYING from something preventable. Believe me when I say that not vaccinating yourself or your children because you believe that big pharma only cares about profit or that the scientific medical community has been duped, is 100% insanity.
I personally take offense to anyone who implies that medical professionals, like myself, would ever administer anything to anyone, especially a child, that would intentionally harm them. I take even more offense to anyone that would imply that a college educated professional, like myself, is incapable of “doing the research.”
People always fire back with something like, “well if you are vaccinated, why do you care that I’m not? If you are so sure your vaccines work, It’s not like you can catch it.”
You are 100% right. I will probably be just fine. It’s my newborn baby who is too young to be vaccinated that I’m worried about, it’s my friend who is going through chemo, it’s a neighbor that is immune compromised, it’s my cousin who is allergic and can’t receive the vaccine. Yes, we tell you to get vaccinated to protect yourself, but it’s so much bigger than that.
Vaccinate. Because it’s not just about YOU.

Signed
-A nurse
-A mother
-A college graduate (with a science based degree)
– NOT BIG PHARMA”

Ugh… I’m honestly not even sure where to begin here. There are so many bad arguments presented, it’s hard to pick just one to start with.

I guess let’s start with the overall theme of her message, which, if you have to boil it down, would be, “If you don’t vaccinate, you are anti-medicine and anti-science, and you shouldn’t be able to utilize any type of Western medicine at all.”

Sooo, without further ado, I give you Nurse Meggy’s:

Claim #1: Anti-Vaccine = Anti-Medicine

Are we really going to act like all medical procedures are equal? Really? So, using this logic, we are to either: blindly accept any and all medical procedures without question, OR we have to refuse all of them, no matter the circumstances.

Okay. Sure.

Or, option C, we could be reasonable, intellectual human beings and research our options, weigh the risks versus the benefits, and make a logical decision based on those factors. Each and every time a new, unique situation presents itself, relating to our (or our children’s) health.

For instance, “Betty” comes down with strep throat. It’s uncomfortable and kind of miserable, but she knows it will pass on its own after a few days if she rests and stays hydrated. She has the option of going to the doctor and getting a prescription for antibiotics, which would make her feel better a little sooner, but have their own side effects and risks. Instead she decides she’ll just stay home for an extra day and let her immune system fight the strep throat naturally.

Is “Betty” anti-science? Anti-medicine? No… she just weighed the health risks versus the benefits and made the choice that was best for her. She wasn’t risking that much by staying home and not taking any medication, and she was actually strengthening her immune system in the process.

Now if Betty were diagnosed with cancer, we might be a different story. Maybe she would decide that, even though chemotherapy has some MAJOR side effects, it’s still worth the risk to possibly kill the cancer cells. In that case, she’s deciding that the potential benefits outweigh the risks.

OR… maybe she would decide the opposite, after extensive research. If the cancer was advanced, she might choose a shorter, better-quality life over a miserable one. Or maybe she would look for alternative treatments instead. The point is, depending on the type and stage of the cancer, her medical decision may be different. And that’s okay.

There is not a one-size-fits-all approach to medicine. The pro-vax/anti-vax issue is NOT black-and-white like you seem to imply, and acting like it is is naïve, and frankly, dishonest.

Claim #2: Science has PROVEN vaccines to be safe and effective

Sorry, Nurse Meggy, but that claim is completely false. In order for a vaccine to be proven “safe” based on the standards of evidence-based medicine, you would need to conduct a double-blind, placebo-controlled study – the gold standard for all other pharmaceuticals.

That would mean using a control substance like saline. And… guess what? Not a single vaccine has gone through this type of safety testing.

And on top of that, there has never been a long-term study done on vaccine safety (at least in the US), and I doubt there ever will be. So we have no idea what the potential side effects of vaccinations may be 10 or 20 years down the road. And studies have shown that unvaxxed kids are healthier than vaxxed (by a landslide). Vaccinated children have substantially higher rates of chronic illness, neurological disorders, autism, ADHD, learning disabilities, and allergies. Oh, and SIDS.

But I’m sure that’s just a coincidence, right?

Oh, also, there has never been a single study done on the current vaccination schedule and the multiple vaccination combos. So, when you are at the pediatrician’s office, getting your 4-month-old the Rotavirus/DTap/Hib/PCV13/IPV special of the day, just know that there hasn’t been a SINGLE study to prove the safety of administering those five vaccines in a single day, on a single person. Not one.

And effectiveness? Also highly suspect. Not a single vaccination has “eradicated” disease. And I put “eradicated” in quotes because that is a special pro-vax buzzword that you’ll hear all the time. Most of these diseases had already declined to almost zero before vaccines were introduced, thanks to clean water, better sanitation, and proper quarantining.

The problem is, vaccines can never be effective. Because artificial immunity will always be just that – artificial. Which means, if it even works at all, it provides you with temporary immunity (which is why you’re supposed to get booster shots periodically for the entirety of your life). So it doesn’t come as a surprise that most of these scary “outbreaks” of measles and pertussis actually occur mostly among the vaccinated population. (But you’ll never hear that little fact on the nightly news.)

I could go on and on about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, but you get the point.

Claim #3: The #1 (or only) reason people are anti-vax is because they distrust “Big Pharma”

Your whole pro-vax argument, Nurse Meggy, is based on your idea that people who don’t vaccinate solely base their reasoning on the corruption of “Big Pharma”. When in reality, that’s just one of many reasons for most.

So, your claim that, if we refuse to vaccinate we should be denied any other form of medicine made by pharmaceutical companies, is ludicrous.

Vaccines are a for-profit industry. That’s undeniable. So, to act like these companies could cut corners or ignore data to protect their bottom line is just some crazy aluminum-hat-wearing, hippy conspiracy theory is just silly.

But there are many other reasons why we choose not to vaccinate. One of the major reasons: the support for the claim “vaccines are safe and effective” is just not there. The current data is lacking. And the side effects are very real.

Other reasons we may not vaccinate are religious, or moral. Personally, my family observes the Bible’s clean and unclean meat laws. So, we would not inject ourselves with anything derived from pig or monkey parts. Morally, I also have an objection to vaccines, since they are developed and profit from the abortion industry. That’s a major problem for me.

We pay for all types of medicines, procedures, and tests that may come from the pharmaceutical industry. That’s not always a problem. Once again, it comes down to a benefit vs. risk analysis on a case-by-case basis.

Claim #4: Parents shouldn’t make these medical decisions because they’re unqualified.

You also insinuate that most parents aren’t educated enough to make these types of decisions for their children because they aren’t a nurse, doctor, or someone with a “science-related degree”. What you forget to mention is, most nurses and doctors learn almost nothing about immunology or vaccinations in college or medical school.

And most doctors haven’t even read the vaccine inserts. They’re taught a few basic talking points so they can give the guilt lecture to parents.

The sad thing is, many (seriously, a lot!) of the parents who are now “anti-vaxx” used to be the opposite. They were your typical parents who trusted their doctor, did what they were told, and got their child vaccinated on schedule… until they saw a terrifying adverse reaction in their child. Their healthy, happy, talking 18-month old suddenly came down with a fever, forgot how to walk, and could no longer say the words they had been saying 12 hours ago.

And when they talked to their doctor about it, they were basically brushed off, told it’s nothing, that they’re just imagining things.

You may be surprised how often this happens. Because I have heard versions of this same story over and over.

If you’re a parent, you know your child. You know their normal behavior, their personality, their abilities – better than ANYONE. Only a parent, with their natural God-given intuition, can know when something Just. Isn’t. Right. And when a nurse or doctor scoffs at them and says their child is fine… nothing gets reported, no actions are taken… then a distrust starts to form.

And when nurses like you berate parents, pressure them, mock them, you are only furthering the distrust and fear. We see you rolling your eyes, giving that look to your coworker. We know you think we’re idiots.

But, did you know that the majority of parents who don’t vaccinate actually have higher education levels than those who do? These families tend to have married parents, with higher income levels and college degrees. They are parents who, like myself, have done loads of research, from credible sources, and realized that the “evidence” on vaccine safety and efficacy is simply – immensely lacking.

Anti-vaxxers are NOT anti-science. In fact, we are very aware of the science. The science provided for vaccination is just insufficient.

Give us some long-term, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies. Compare vaccinated individuals with unvaccinated. Do real studies on the current vaccination schedule, including multiple doses. Take parents’ adverse reaction reports seriously.

Then maybe we’ll start taking you seriously.

Sincerely,

  • An educated parent



6 thoughts on “A Response to Nurse Meggy Doodle’s Pro-Vax Facebook Post”

  • Hello I find myself as an ER nurse and new parent to be (wife is 10 weeks pregnant today on 11/26) with interesting disposition here.
    The amount of vaccination at one time concerns me for my little ones immune system, while I believe in the Antibodies produced for certain common illnesses which can be vaccinated.
    I imagine my pediatric provider will not be so apt to offer single spaced our vaccines ….I feel the combos are meant simply for convenience. My understanding of the immune respone with vaccines in regards to a infant to toddler range age is that they simply have a more sensitive immune system. I feel error on side of caution in spacing out vaccines while being proactive with still vaccinating.
    I think combo vaccinations after five might be fine for example but when so much is still developing it cant hurt to administer slower, with spaced intervals.

    • Brandon, honey, no. I am vaccine injured. The HHS just admitted in open court that they’ve not received or reviewed one single safety data report from the CDC in over 30 years. That was court mandated back in 1989 that the HHS submit a biennial report on the safety studies done on their vaccines. NONE. EXIST. So where are they getting all their “conclusive data” showing the safety of the vaccines?
      How much vaccine training have you been given as a medical professional? Have you been trained to identify adverse reactions in children, or just given general “it’s normal” information? Are you familiar with the VAERS system, and how it works? Are you familiar with the Nuremberg code, and your rights as a parent?
      All of these questions have to be “YES!!!!!!” answers. If not, PLEASE RESEARCH. Beyond your training, beyond what doctors are taught to vomit when someone goes against them, and beyond what “seems” safe. So many parents out there that felt as you do now, and wish they made a different choice. So many parents that watched their healthy baby because permanently ill, or worse, after a “well baby” check. Check the data. Please. Keep your family safe.
      Blessings and light to you.

  • Bravo! Beautifully stated. And please know, Nurse Meggy Doodle, and all those who share her perspective, we are not out to belittle or berate you, we simply ask that you respect us, and the science we have allowed to guide our decisions. Why on earth would we want to take such a “risk” with our children that we know will lead to harassment and estrangement by the medical community and so many friends and family? It’s a sacrifice we make because the science or lack of it, has showed us this is the best way to ensure the health of OUR children. Thank you!

  • I know who that is and her Facebook page used to have photos of her as a stripper. That’s how she “put herself through nursing school “ just saying.

  • Thanks so much for your reply. I honestly question if she is a real nurse and not on the pharma payroll. Any employee of mine that would send out a FB post such as this would be fired. Is she really a nurse?

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